Persecuted & Prosecuted For Sermon
Be forewarned this sermon contains the full gospel which includes the offensive why.
I will not repeat the sermon here as the full transcript is below the intro.
Not permitting women leading over men or preaching has nothing to do with the culture at the time. It has to do with the culture of the world through-out time.
The reasons God gives for not allowing women preachers or leaders over men are:
 Adam was formed first.
 Eve was the one deceived.
 Women will be saved through childbearing. See busy at home. Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. Then ...continue
God moved a plan forward with this sermon that at first, years ago, left me confused. By the way, me being confused as I follow Jesus is not a new thing.
When I preached this sermon, God had me pull the recording from distribution that week. A rebellious church member kept a copy.
Naturally, I began to search my heart and doctrine before the Lord. Still confused because the Holy Spirit stated the doctrine was sound in God but could not discern anything else. God was silent. So, I assume it may have been my tone. Never did get a clear answer on this until about 10 years later.
An individual in the church who later gave themselves over to their sin had kept a copy of the sermon because such is their type of sinning. When the individual betrayed the love of God this sermon was spread around as something mean and unloving. The person used the stumbling block of Jesus to cause others to fall. As it is written: “See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.” (Romans 9:33)
The offense of the cross was used as a weapon for a personality assassination. The sermon was used to stir enrage fear, self-righteousness and hatred in others towards me. Later I would be given the same understanding as Paul who put it this way: The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains. But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice. (Philippians 1:17-18)
As my personality was being thoroughly defiled the self-proclaimed King County Prosecutors of Seattle who openly state they are “humble” “ministers of justice” stepped in to finish me off. The governing authorities, those slave-Christians eagerly, happily devoured the hatred to use for their selfish ambition. Lies, liars and lying for the liars was used by these prosecutor pigs who had been provided slander from discernment dogs.
This person knowingly went to the pigs and dogs and gave them the pearl of God’s love. Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces. (Matthew 7:6) One result was King County Prosecutors slandered me, accusing me of hating women. Which of course means they blasphemed God’s Truth. There was nothing these fowl sinners did not go over to trample on and tear to pieces.
This sermon was given and used as “proof” that I needed to be set up for destruction with a poxy prosecution. Like prosecutors and police everywhere their ends always justify the means of their impure deeds. As unclean King County Judges of Washington State often repeat when someone appeals the crooked legal paths of their police and prosecutors: “You would have been found guilty anyway” they declare.
This is why God declared in writing that such do not have, and I quote “any” hope of going to heaven. No immoral, impure or greedy person–such a man is an idolater–has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. (Ephesians 5:5)
Then God made it clear what He was doing when the persecution-prosecution broke out. Such wisdom among all the painful sufferings did brighten my face.
There is absolutely no way if I had mailed this sermon to King County Prosecutors that they would have hit the play button. Not to mention all the other churches, ministries, discernment dogs and individuals that are offended by the topic. Such would not have given the topic let alone one of “my sermons” the time of day.
God in His loving wisdom made many accountable for their rebellion by once again proving Himself shrewd to the crooked. If I had not done among them what no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. But now they have seen these miracles, and yet they have hated ...continue to the pure you show yourself pure, but to the crooked you show yourself shrewd. (Psalm 18:26)
In short God used this person’s wicked zeal for sinning to present many individuals, ministries, and government officials the gospel Truth and their desperate need to repent.
What a terrible God to require that women love their children while being busy at home, and for men to lead. aghast!
As God wrote in the book of Titus, Chapter 2, older women are to train the younger women how to be busy at home while loving their husbands. Consider what a revival of holiness would take place in the Christian church if all the women become focused in on two things. 1. Being busy at home and 2. Loving their husbands. Sadly, be it the secular governing authorities or the current Christian church such a message of denying self unto holiness is hotly silenced. Preaching the offense of the cross as to why men should lead, and why women should be helpmates will get you persecuted for sure. Even possibly prosecuted.
The way of a holy and loving God is that men should lead, and women be a helper was being hotly debated at the time of this sermon. Now as sinning grows ever louder there is no debate on the issue of women preachers. For if one merely suggests such things, they are immediately heavily persecuted and, in my case, prosecuted.
If you did not already know this, mothers loving their children while busy at home will get you angerly persecuted in and out of the church. Suggesting that woman should not led a congregation will get you silenced very quickly. Demanding men actually, in reality, led a church will gain you the persecution from the males in the church. Naturally through the women, but it will happen if the desire for righteousness is not strong enough.
Make no mistake about it, men are just as offended that they must really led, as women are that they should submit and be helpmates. I can prove this with one simple test applied to your congregation in 1 week.
That is, the test would have to be halted within 1 week even by those who supposedly still believe the doctrine. Because having a belief, really a religious opinion about this topic is not the same as the reality of the cross having made it a part of the new creation in Jesus.
One reason the church is in such a miserable condition is that men do not really led even when in leadership and the women refuse to submit even as they submit.
That the beauty and grace that is in both these doctrines is forfeited by such hypocrisy and rebellion is obvious.
Those who ignore the offense forfeit the joy of this instruction.
If anyone does not love the Lord–a curse be on him.
Come, O Lord ! (1 Corinthians 16:22)
This a sermon transcript preached by Timothy Williams. These were preached many years back, some decades ago. Preacher Timothy Williams is not associated with any church, denomination, or ministry. Blessed are those who love the honey of God’s Word!
How sweet are your words to my taste,
sweeter than honey to my mouth!
This sermons transcript is located at www.luke1425.org
Sermon Area Basic Introduction
Not Even Death
Not even death can keep a preacher from preaching. A godly preachers words come from fire in the bones. But if I say, “I will not mention him or speak any more in his name,” his word is in my heart like a fire, a fire shut up in my bones. I am weary of holding it in; indeed, I cannot. (Jeremiah 20:9)
On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight.
There were many lamps in the upstairs room where we were meeting. Seated in a window was a young man named Eutychus, who was sinking into a deep sleep as Paul talked on and on. When he was sound asleep, he fell to the ground from the third story and was picked up dead.
Paul went down, threw himself on the young man and put his arms around him. “Don’t be alarmed,” he said. “He’s alive!” Then he went upstairs again and broke bread and ate. After talking until daylight, he left. The people took the young man home alive and were greatly comforted. (Acts 20:7-12)
The sermons normally lasted 45 to 60 but do not grumble that my sermons were long. True by today’s milk toast entertain me Christian standards they are lengthy. But not long when one considers the days are evil and that ignorance floods the church. …making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil. (Ephesians 5:16)
Preach The Word
I never preached about the Word of God. Rather I was led by the Holy Spirit to preach the Word.
Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season;
correct, rebuke and encourage
with great patience and careful instruction.
(2 Timothy 4:2)
Today we will talk about women preachers, a forbidden fruit. To really to do this right, it would require a three-day seminar to really see the word in all of the richness of what it has to say. In Genesis 3:4 the serpent comes to the woman and says,
Genesis 3:4 – You will not surely die…
We are looking at a commandment that people read and know full well what it says, yet they try to work their way around it. They believe they can disobey this Scripture and somehow still live in the Lord.
Isaiah 3:8 – Jerusalem staggers.
The church is beginning to stagger and fall. Like a drunken man, it can’t walk a straight course. It can’t walk the narrow road. It doesn’t know quite where it is going. It is inebriated and cannot think clearly. Verse 8 says:
Isaiah 3:8 – Judah is falling.
The strongest part of the church the part that we look up to and think is holy and righteous is in the process of falling and deteriorating.
Isaiah 3:8 – Jerusalem staggers, Judah is falling; their words and their deeds are against the Lord, defying his glorious presence.
What we are looking at today is a glorious passage and declaration, yet men defy it. They stand against it. Women stand against it. They are against the Lord, and every place we look and examine, we see the church slowly deteriorating. We see society deteriorating because we begin to refuse the basic commandments that God has in mind.
Isaiah 3:9 – The look on their faces testifies against them…
Watch the churches with women pastors. Look at the attitude within these churches; see their faces, their attitude, mannerisms, and the way they conduct themselves. Hear how loud they are and how they lead worship. All that they do testifies against them. Verse 9:
Isaiah 3:9 – …they parade their sin like Sodom…
You know how indignant the church is against those that are homosexual, and yet they have women pastors who are on the same levelin the same category.
Isaiah 3:9 – …they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it.
They are not ashamed or embarrassed by it. They think it is something glorious. They have books and seminars about it. There is even a Bible devoted to itall kinds of things that say a woman is free to do whatever she wants. They parade their sin and anyone who stands against this is ridiculed and mocked. Verse 9 again:
Isaiah 3:9 – Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.
We are going to see what it is that God is leading up to. God is declaring judgments by saying, “Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.” What are they are doing that is so bad and so vile that God is warning them about a disaster that is ready to hit them? What is the sin that they parade? What is the outward sign and symptom that says, “Jerusalem staggers” and “Judah is falling”? What is it that is so painful and disastrous?
Isaiah 3:10 – Tell the righteous it will be well with them, for they will enjoy the fruit of their deeds.
Tell those who obey and love the living God, though they see the church deteriorating, it will go well for them. Though they see people abandoning the commands of God by doing their own things, and not denying self, it will go well for those who come back to what God says and who become righteous and obedient in those things.
Isaiah 3:11 – Woe to the wicked!
Over and over again, God is leading up to something:
Isaiah 3:11 – Woe to the wicked! Disaster is upon them! They will be paid back for what their hands have done.
For what they have created, written, and preached about, and how they have conducted themselvesthey will be paid back for what they have done. Verse 12 tells us what the symptom is and shows us what is in the heart. It shows us where the problem is.
Isaiah 3:12 – Youths oppress my people.
Everybody talks about how rebellious all the young individuals are and how society is falling apart. Parents are oppressed by their children because they do not know how to raise them. They don’t know how to be obedient to the Lord, therefore they cannot teach their children to be obedient. The symptoms are:
Isaiah 3:12 – Youths oppress my people, women rule over them.
When women are ruling the nation or ruling over individuals, it is a sign of disaster coming upon the land. It is the last straw, the final break, before God brings judgment. He compares it again to Sodom, doesn’t he?
Isaiah 3:9 – The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom;
What we are looking at today is equal to the sin of homosexuality. It is rebellion, hype, and the original fall in the garden. It is the serpent coming to the woman with the man standing right there, saying, “You will not die if you disobey this commandment.” This is not someone’s opinion, a minor thing, or something we can put on the shelf and say, “Well, we’ll just disagree on these particular issues.” Verse 12 shows us what the symptom is, that “youths oppress my people” because women are busy trying to lead within the church, doing what they should not do. The home is deteriorating and falling apart. It is no use looking at the world and the way that it conducts itself and try to blame that on the family. Look at the fact that women are not raising their children. They are not busy at home as they need to be. Women rule over men and they feel no shame about this. They parade it. They are excited about it. It is as if the men stand up and say, “Oh, we have a woman pastor in our church,” and feel no shame or guilt about what they are doing. It has been so well justified. Man is so glorified in it that there is no sense of shame as to what is going on. They parade their sin and they glory in it.
Isaiah 3:12 – O my people, your guides lead you astray…
They lead you away from the truth. If an individual can take the commandment that has to do with the fall in the garden, if they read the passage that says that a woman is not permitted to preach and they somehow justify disobedience to that Scripture, then I guarantee you, any Scripture that goes against their flesh, they will justify in any way they can.
Isaiah 3:12 – O my people, your guides lead you astray; they turn you from the path.
They will speak of Scripture. The fruit in the garden was one of wisdom, but it turns a man away from the living God to his own religion and his own way of doing things. These women pastors and the men who tolerate and glory in it turn people from the righteous commandments of God.
We need to become indignant that men are no longer obeying this command, that they write it off as something cultural. I talked to a man a couple of weeks ago, a man who defends the right of a woman to preach from the pulpit. He was saying that Paul was dealing with some local situation back then, therefore we can just take this passage and put it aside. Now, would anyone disagree with verse 8? Would anyone say that this is a cultural commandment?
1 Timothy 2:8 – I want men everywhere to lift up holy hands in prayer, without anger or disputing.
Would they argue against that? Would they say that Paul was dealing with some cultural or local problem and that it is okay for men now not to lift up prayer with holy hands? Can they argue, debate, and get into all kinds of fights over this? Of course not. “I want men everywhere to lift up holy hands in prayer, without anger or disputing.” No one would go against that.
1 Timothy 2:9 – I also want women to dress modestly…
You might find a little bit of argument on that one.
1 Timothy 2:9 – I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes.
Where you find women preachers, you find a mode of dress that is unholy. You will see women dressing in expensive clothing and bringing attention to themselves. That will be true in every single case. Why? Because a woman is pleasing herself. She is glorifying herself and she will teach other women to have the same kind of heart.
1 Timothy 2:10-11 …but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God. A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.
This is what God has set down about how a woman is to learn and the kind of attitude she is to have. Let’s read it again:
1 Timothy 2:11 – A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.
This is not a partial or three-quarters submission, but an absolute and complete full submission. That is what we should see when we look at women in the church. Not only do you not find women learning in quietness and full submission, but also you find them talking loud from the pulpit. You find them leading songs and worship. They have little Bible studies, little classes, promoting themselves, and speaking of their own wisdom. They are not in a position of learning. They are in a position of teaching.
1 Corinthians 14:33 – For God is not a God of disorder but of peace.
What is it that will demonstrate to men, people, and angels that there is a God of peace and that his peace is in our hearts? The next verse tells us what will demonstrate that a woman has the peace of Christ in her heart, that she has died to the original sin in the Garden that says she can be as God knowing good from evil. Verse 33 continues:
1 Corinthians 14:33 – As in all the congregations of the saints…
This is not a local cultural thing. It was in every single congregation that claimed to be a Christian whether in Spain or in Rome. No matter where Paul was at, he says, “As in all the congregations of the saints.”
1 Corinthians 14:34 – …women should remain silent in the churches.
This is to be the attitude and the position of all women in the church. Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak. I’m not going to preach this in such a cutesy little manner that we take away the offense of the cross. It just simply says that a woman is not permitted to speak.
1 Corinthians 14:34 – …but must be in submission, as the Law says.
So, shall we call Paul a legalist? Should we accuse him of going to the old law of putting women under a burden that they could not carry? Shall we tell Paul, “Well, Jesus Christ died for those kinds of things, so none of those laws matter at all”? We will see that all of this matters.
1 Corinthians 14-35 – If they want to inquire about something they should ask their own husbands at home…
Of course, you are assuming that all of the women are in a place where they are busy at home and have husbands, because everybody always brings up the exception, “Well, what if a woman doesn’t have a husband?” We are so far from where we need to be, repentance in this matter can’t even be done completely or begun quickly. It is not the kind of thing that we can run out and say, “Okay, we repented. We’ve been weak.” This nation is so far gone that “Jerusalem is staggering and Judah is falling.” That is how close we are to destruction.
1 Corinthians 14:35 – If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home, for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
Men are to be in a position of leadership and guiding the church, and women are to be in their position as a helpmate and be submissive in that particular role. If a woman has an attitude that says, “I will learn in full submission. I will learn in quietness. I will learn knowing that I should be silent in church, that it is disgraceful for me to talk in the church,” then, all of the other “what if” situations will work themselves out. First, they must have this peace of Christ where they are resting from the pride, arrogance and haughtiness that causes a woman to rise up to rule and lead men.
Paul is very clear in this. He is very direct. He lays it down as a law.
1 Timothy 2:12 – I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.
Paul will not allow or permit it. He is full of the Holy Spirit so he stands up and declares, “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” She must be silent. It reflects exactly what he wrote to the Corinthians. But, I want us to see what the attitude is within Paul. He simply says, “I will not permit it. This will not go on.” Part of the problem is that men will not rise up to be men and women certainly will not submit. “Jerusalem staggers and Judah is falling…I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” The reasons he gives for this have nothing to do with a cultural problem. I showed this Scripture and a few other passages to the man I was talking to on the phone, and it was as if he had never seen these before in his life. In 1 Timothy 2:13, the reason that a woman cannot teach or have authority over man is because:
1 Timothy 2:13 – For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
It has to do with the nature of why God made a woman and why he made a man. It goes back to the exact role for which we were created to doto be in our positions of authority and what God has given us to be. He says, “I do not permit a woman to teach or have authority” for this reason. The reason is that Adam was made first. God, in his wisdom, didn’t make them at the same time. He made Adam first. He was to be in a position of leadership. We can see, since the fall, men like to sit back, take it easy, and let the woman lead. The hardest thing to do is to get men to rise up and lead because it is hard work. Now, verse 14 gives us another reasons if the first were not enough.
1 Timothy 2:14 – And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
This is the offense of the cross. This is what we preach. We don’t smooth it over or whitewash it. I’m not going to lay it aside or somehow make it a little bit more acceptable so we might be understood. One of the reasons a woman is not permitted to teach or to have authority is because she was the one deceived by the serpent. Consequently, the wisdom that comes from a woman preacher is deceptive. It has elements of the truth in it, but there is a deception that leads to a life of self mixed with pride and arrogance. That is exactly what took place in the fall. Women are susceptible to being taken in by words. Every man who is an expert at dating and seducing woman knows that words are the way to win a woman over. “Adam was not the one deceived.” Adam knew full well what was happening and he knew what he was after. Every man who has seduced a woman knows exactly what his goal is and what he is seeking to achieve. He is not deceived about his actions. “It was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.” This goes clear back to the fall in the garden. Let us go back to Genesis 2:15. Everything about the commandment of not permitting a woman to teach or to have authority over a man has to do with this Scripture.
Genesis 2:15 – The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it.
Man was put in a position to have dominion over the earth. He was the one responsible for caring for the earth that God had created. Woman was not yet created. She was not there at the time. The whole universe has been formed; all of the stars, the planets, and everything were in its proper place. Man had been created. The animals and the garden were formed. God came directly to man and said, “This is yours to care for. It is your responsibility. It is your joy to labor at.”
Genesis 2:16 – And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden.”
Man was then in charge of the words of life. Man was responsible for teaching the woman. She was not hearing God speak, was she? She was not even created. This is why 1 Corinthians says that if a woman has questions, let her ask her husband at home, because the man is supposed to be the one teaching the home, inspiring, and bringing the wisdom directly from God into the household. That is his position. That is what he is supposed to do.
Genesis 2:16 – And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden.”
With man lies the words of life, not with woman. Woman is to help him in those words of life. She will be a helpmate to care for the garden, but she is not the source of truth and life.
Genesis 2:17 – …but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.
The moral decisions were placed upon man. The commandments of what is right and wrong are placed upon man. Any man who allows a woman to teach or to have authority over him is not a man. He is more of a woman than the woman teaching him. Because it was Adam’s responsibility for the words of life and the commandment to say, “Do not touch this,” “Do not go over here” and “Do not sin in this area.” He just sat back and allowed it to happen. How many men are sitting back and allowing women to teach and to have authority over them? They are no longer men any more.
Genesis 2:18 – The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”
God comes along to bless man. He creates a helper. That was her position. That was what she was made for. Everything about her was to help man. That was her role.
Genesis 2:19 – Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air.
Now, why does God seem to go back and forth on this particular issue? It doesn’t seem like he is staying on point, does it? All of a sudden, he is saying, “Now look! It is not good for man to be alone.” Then, he is right back to Adam’s responsibility, and what he was in charge of doing.
Genesis 2:19 – Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.
God is trying to demonstrate the contrast here; man was given the responsibility of naming the animals, of being in charge and having the words of life. He was responsible for this world, and God would design a helpmate to help him in that leadership role. People often want to know how far a woman can go with what she should do. The rule is simple. If it helps a man and increases his position of leadership, then it is probably okay in the Lord. If it takes away from his leadership, if it robs him from his position of authority, if it cuts in on him and keeps him from doing what God has called him to do, then it is sin.
Genesis 2:20 – So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field. But for Adam no suitable helper was found.
Eve wasn’t there giving her opinion. She wasn’t there saying, “Well, I’m not sure about this name,” or “Are you sure about that?” or “I saw this other animal over here. I don’t think you have all of the facts, Adam.” Adam first had everything in its place. He had named everything, had all of the wisdom and the knowledge that God wanted him to have. Now there would be someone created to be a helpmate to him.
Genesis 2:21 – So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and closed up the place with flesh.
In the fullest sense of the word, Eve was being made to be a helpmate. In no way, shape or form was she created to be, in any remote way, in a position of leadership. She would have to hear from Adam what the truth was, what the commandments were and what God had said to do. She would have to trust that what Adam heard came from God. Now, women want to hear directly from the Lord. They want all of the wisdom. They want to be free. But it is not freedom at all. That is not to say that God doesn’t fellowship with women. He most certainly does. He would have fellowshipped with Eve, but she was created for a particular purpose and only when women surrender pride and arrogance will they know that joy that Eve had.
Genesis 2:22 – Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
Let me give you five quick points before we press on. Number one, women are not to teach a group or a class when men are present. This is not their position. This is not what they are called to. Number two, women are not to preach, run, or influence the decisions in the church with any type of authority whatsoever. That is the position and the responsibility of the men to do, and it should be love that compels them to do so. Number three, women can talk on a daily basis and share their lives. They can explain the Bible. They can fellowship. They can be a helpmate to help a man to be in a position of leadership. We will see all of these here in a moment. Number four, when a woman wears a sign of authority in church she can prophesy, fellowship, speak in a tongue with the permission of men who are in leadership. Number five, women can lead other women in song. The bottom line rule is this. Do the actions of a woman help a man to further his leadership or not? If it helps him in his leadership, then she is being a helpmate. If it causes her to be more in a position of leadership, then she is destroying and in rebellion.
In Romans 16:1 there is plenty of stuff for women to do. That is why I said that it would take a three-day seminar to go through all of this and we don’t have time for it today. Paul writes at the end of his letter:
Romans 16:1-6 – I commend you our sister Phoebe, a servant of the church in Cenchrea. I ask you to receive her in the Lord in a way worthy of the saints and to give her any help she may need from you, for she has been a great help to many people including me. Greet Priscilla and Aquila, my fellow workers in Christ Jesus. They risked their lives for me. Not only I but all the churches of the Gentiles are grateful to them. Greet also the church that meets at their house. Greet my dear friend Epenetus, who was the first convert to Christ in the province of Asia. Greet Mary, who worked very hard for you.
There is plenty of work and labor to be done. If a woman thinks that she has to be in a position of leadership to have something to do, she doesn’t know what she is talking about in Jesus Christ. There is so much to be done. The same thing in verse 12:
Romans 16:12-13 – Greet Tryphena and Tryphosa, those women who work hard in the Lord. Greet my dear friend Persis, another woman who has worked very hard in the Lord. Greet Rufus, chosen in the Lord, and his mother, who has been a mother to me, too.
Women have a glorious work. But, what we find today is just what we saw in the first Scripture. They defied the very glorious presence of the Lord. They have abandoned their glory. They have abandoned that which they were created to do and gone off for selfish ambition.
Let’s go to Jude 5 because over and over again God compares this sin to homosexuality, rebellion, and a complete turning from the Lord.
Jude 5 – Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe.
What is the height of unbelief? What kind of unbelief is God is pointing to that leads to disobedience? “Though you already know all this… Even though you are aware of this fact, he says, I want to remind you that the Lord delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe.” Think upon those who were delivered from their sins. Think of those who tasted the glory of God in their life. Consider those who have their lives cleaned and washed up. They were made holy and obedient. They were delivered from their sins. They were delivered from Egypt. They knew the truth. God had delivered them and touched their lives. There are a lot of women pastors and many men who tolerate women pastors who can say that God has touched their lives, but they now live lives of complete rebellion, disobedience, and unbelief. Look at what he compares it to. Verse 6.
Jude 6 – And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.
One more time. “And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority.” They wanted something else other than what they were created for. They wanted to be something different than what they were made to be. They had certain positions of authority where God would say, “This is your position. This is your station. This is why you were created. This is what you are to be and to do.” They abandoned their home. They abandoned that which was theirs to dwell and rejoice in. What did God do to them? “These he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.” It is interesting that the writer in Jude compares it to a home. With the attitude in the church today, women are abandoning their homes left and right.
Look at 1 Corinthians 11:8, because we have to be reminded again what woman was made and designed for. What was her position of authority? The church is not serious about rescuing the home. It is a joke to even think that they are. Because if the church was really serious about rescuing the home, then every woman who claimed to be a Christian would quit her job and go home to raise her family.
1 Corinthians 11: 8-9 – For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.
That is her position and her glory. That is her home. That is why she was created—for this purpose. God, in all of his wisdom, arranged the universe, created Adam and gave the woman the position that she was supposed to have and to hold. Again, Jude 6 says,
Jude 6 – And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home these he has kept in darkness…
These women pastors are blind to the truth. You can’t even recognize the gospel anymore. They are not even remotely in the neighborhood of what it means to be a Christian anymore, and the men who follow these women no longer have a grasp of what the truth is. They are so far gone and separated from the gospel that there isn’t anything close to what resembles the truth. And look at what they are bound with!
Jude 6 – These he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.
Their chains will never be released from them all because they said, “I don’t like what I was created for.” That led into total and complete rebellion. “I don’t like the home in which God has given me to live. I don’t like the position for what I was made. I want to do and to be something else.” “Bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day “to enter judgment chained. What does he compare it to?
Jude 7 – In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah…
Why does the church blame the world for its sins, when it has shown the world the way to sin?
Jude 7 – In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
All of these things are put on the same level; those who do not keep their homes and those who commit sexual immorality. Look at verse 8 and tell me if you don’t see this within churches that have women pastors.
Jude 8 – In the very same way, these dreamers pollute their own bodies.
They have revelations and knowledge, and are puffed up in who they are and what they do. They think they are so anointed that God has so touched them. They pollute themselves and other people, and “in the very same way, these dreamers pollute their own bodies.” What is it they do? What is the calling card? What is it that shows us that they are not of God? It says they reject authority. They hate this whole idea called “authority” where man has authority. Paul would say, “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over men.” Woman preachers reject that kind of authority and say, “We will have no one over us. We will be superior. We do not like the position for which we were created.” Scripture says:
Jude 8…They reject authority and slander celestial beings.
Listen to these preachers preach. They talk about stomping on the devil. They talk about taking authority over demons. They mock and slander the things that were created because their arrogance is lifted up, pride has welled up, and they think they are above everything. They are not learning in quietness and full submission. They are preaching in total rebellion.
Let’s look at Judges 4:1, because that is one of the passages that women pastors like to use. They take their perverted wisdom, pride, and arrogance and say, “Oh, Deborah was leading Israel.” Let’s take a look at that. The only reason that Deborah is in a position of judging Israel in any type of leadership is simply for one fact and one fact only; the men refuse to lead Israel. The hardest thing that I have had to do over the years is find men who will rise up in boldness to lead or do anything.
Judges 4:1-3 – After Ehud died, the Israelites once again did evil in the eyes of the Lord. So the Lord sold them into the hands of Jabin, a king of Canaan, who reigned in Hazor. The commander of his army was Sisera, who lived in Harosheth Haggoyim. Because he had nine hundred iron chariots and had cruelly oppressed the Israelites for twenty years, they cried to the Lord for help.
Today, we are worse off than they were because no one cries out anymore. Where are the men that cry out for deliverance? Who stands up in any of these churches and says, “Enough of this, I want to be delivered from this oppression”? These women preachers talk of freedom. They talk of knowledge and revelation. They promise new life. Where are the men who cry, “I’m tired of this oppression”? They don’t even know they are enslaved. At least the Israelites knew they were enslaved.
Judges 4:4 – Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was leading Israel at that time.
Even God mentions who her husband is. Get a clue! We have a problem here.
Judges 4:5 – She held court under the Palm of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim, and the Israelites came to her to have their disputes decided.
Traditionally, verse 4 doesn’t say, “leading,” it says, “judging.” There is no real leadership taking place. Men aren’t doing really anything. In order to lead somebody has to halfway follow you to get there. There were all these disputes, arguments, and debates. That’s what she was deciding. But, that’s beside the point. We will at least go with their argument.
Judges 4:6 – She sent for Barak son of Abinoam from Kedesh in Naphtali and said to him, “The Lord, the God of Israel commands you: ‘Go, take with you ten thousand men of Naphtali and Zebulun and lead the way to Mount Tabor.’”
It doesn’t say that she rose up and said, “We’re going to free the women in the land who can now take up their proper position in God to lead and deliver Israel.” A woman goes to a man and says, “Go find for me ten thousand men and lead the way to Mount Tabor,” not “Women you are now loosed to deliver Israel.” It is finding one man to find a bunch of other men. In verse 7, she even gives the battle plan:
Judges 4:7 – I will lure Sisera, the commander of Jabin’s army, with his chariots and his troops to the Kishon River and give him into your hands.
The victory is theirs. But, look at Barak’s attitude. Look at what lives—or doesn’t live—in his heart. God promises him a victory, but he has no faith. He has no fortitude. He’s not a man of courage as the Scripture says. He has to have a woman who is meant to be a helpmate be with him to lead.
Judges 4:8 – Barak said to her, “If you go with me, I will go; but if you don’t go with me, I won’t go.”
“I won’t go without a woman. I won’t go without my mommy. I won’t go without a little protection.” What is her response? You see, she is trying to get the men to lead. Every woman who claims to be a pastor dares to say, “We don’t have any men qualified to preach,” I’m available and will gladly do the job or I will find somebody that has been in this body six months who can do it.
Judges 4:9 – “Very well,” Deborah said, “I will go with you. But because of the way you are going about this, the honor will not be for yourself, for the Lord will hand Sisera over to a woman.”
Not that he cares. It doesn’t drive him to repentance. He just wants what he wants. He doesn’t want to lead. He doesn’t want to work or labor. He doesn’t want to have to try to get the faith. He wants a woman to carry him and do the work. God is trying to shame him! Think of what would happen in the church today if you turned to some man and said, “Well, the way you’re going about this ministry, the glory is going to go to a woman.” They’d say, “Great! What’s your problem?” Jerusalem staggers. Judah falls. There is no sense of shame or guilt about any of this anymore. There is no indignation within men anymore. There is no sense that we’ve lost our calling of what we should be.
Judges 4:9-10 – So Deborah went with Barak to Kedesh, where he summoned Zebulun and Naphtali. Ten thousand men followed him, and Deborah also went with him.
Picture the scene. Ten thousand and one men and one woman! One woman in this whole crowd. This guy was not even embarrassed among his peers. He had ten thousand men turning to him saying, “Why is this woman here?” Maybe they’re not asking—I don’t know. He can’t even be embarrassed into repentance. The church can no longer be embarrassed even in this. I’ve sat with men who talk about learning from other women and I look at them saying, “Do you not have any fortitude left? Is there nothing in you that tells to rise up and be in a position of leadership? Don’t you ever think, “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority”? Won’t you to stand up and say, “I need to be in the position that God has called me to be in”? Can you not go back into the prayer closet and wrestle with your pride? Can you not go back in to get self delivered? Can you not get some faith from God? What is the problem?” I don’t even know what to do with these guys. I want to put an apron on them and send them into the kitchen. It is ridiculous! We don’t have time to look at the story today, but of course, the glory goes to a woman who had more fortitude than this man. Let’s go to Judges 5 because the battle is over the labor and the work has been done. I want you to see what Deborah sings before the Lord, how she worships, and what her attitude is before the living God. It is not “Let the woman loose to teach and to preach” or to have a little class or little discussion groups. Verse 1 says:
Judges 5:1 – On that day Deborah and Barak son of Abinoam sang this song.
They sang it together, and what is it they declare?
Judges 5:2 – When the princes in Israel take the lead…
When the men take the lead and take their proper position. It doesn’t say, “When the women take the lead.”
Judges 5:2 – When the princes in Israel take the lead, when the people willingly offer the Lord!
When men finally go back into the prayer closet and say to the Lord, “I am here to take the position for which you called me to. I willingly offer myself to do the work and the labor. I will finally be the man that you created me to be and I will rise up out of the prayer closet in humility, love, grace, and all that is in Jesus Christ. I will say, ‘I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man.’ I will lead this church and see that it has the purity that it needs.” “When the princes in Israel take the lead,” that’s the song they sing. When was the last time you heard that song sung in a church where a woman pastor was leading?
Again, there is plenty for women to do. I wish we had time to develop it, but we don’t. Right now, we just have to look at the commandment that says, “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.”
Exodus 15:19-20 – When Pharoah’s horses, chariots and horsemen went into the sea, the Lord brought the waters of the sea back over them, but the Israelites walked through the sea on dry ground. Then Miriam the prophetess, Aaron’s sister, took a tambourine in her hand, and all the women followed her, with tambourines and dancing.
Not the men and the women followed her, but the women followed her with tambourines and dancing. There was rejoicing, leading and working, but for whom? For the women! There wasn’t a single man she was leading this.
Exodus 15:21 – Miriam sang to them: “Sing to the Lord, for he highly exalted. The horse and its rider he has hurled into the sea.”
Now, look at verse 22. What does God remind us in this? What is he showing us? Look at the first four words.
Exodus 15:22 – Then Moses led Israel…
It is very clear, even in the old law, Miriam led the women in song, and Moses led Israel. Cleary, men were in a position of authority. They were to be in charge.
Exodus 15:22 – Then Moses led Israel from the Red Sea and they went into the Desert of Shur. For three days they traveled in the desert without finding water.
The church is to be overseen by men. They are responsible for its condition. They are the ones to be laboring, praying, directing, and guiding and women are in the position to help them in that work.
Let’s go to Acts 18:24, because now we come to the great golden calf of the women preachers. They use Priscilla and Aquila as an example. We base seminaries, Bible schools and colleges, seminars and every school of thought on those two and think it is okay for women to preach. Look at Acts 18:24. Never mind what Paul wrote in Timothy. Never mind how man was created. Never mind why woman was created. We have Acts 18:24 and therefore all liberty is ours.
Acts 18:24-25 – Meanwhile a Jew named Apollos, a native of Alexandria, came to Ephesus. He was a learned man, with a thorough knowledge of the Scriptures. He had been instructed in the way of the Lord, and he spoke with great fervor and taught about Jesus accurately, though he knew only the baptism of John.
He was deficient in some of his understanding about who Jesus was and what he was about.
Acts 26 – He began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they invited him to their home and explained to him the way of God more adequately.
What was the rule we looked at? What guideline was set down? “Does it help a man in terms of his leadership or does it take him away from his position?” It said they invited Apollos to their home. They didn’t start the Apollos Seminar or the Priscilla and Aquila Bible School of Knowledge. They explained to him the word of God more adequately. Women can explain and fellowship. Women can share the words of life and encourage one another. Indeed, that is one reason for the sign of authority within the body—to permit that to go on.
Acts 18:27 – When Apollos wanted to go to Achaia, the brothers encouraged him and wrote to the disciples there to welcome him. On arriving, he was a great help to those who by grace had believed.
As a side note, there are a lot of people who believe, but it is not by grace.
Acts 18:28 – For he vigorously refuted the Jews in public debate, proving from the Scriptures that Jesus was the Christ.
Did these women help him in his leadership or hinder him? They helped in every way. They were, in every sense of the word, doing what they were designed to do. Any woman pastor—I want to say it again—who says that they don’t have men in their church qualified to teach and preach, I am available, or I’ll find some man who is.
Let’s go back to Genesis 3:4 because the serpent is crafty and he flat-out lies. He says you can look at what God has said, and he’ll just stare you in the face and say:
Genesis 3:4 – “You will not surely die,” the serpent said to the woman.
“You will not surely die.” He puts emphasis on it. He spoke the words to the woman, and she listened to the words and was deceived. Do not deceive yourself into thinking that these women preachers will survive. They will not survive, nor the men who tolerate it.
Genesis 3:5-6 – “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for good and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
This is the first woman pastor in practice. The Reverend Eve has just spoken, and Adam partakes of it and allows it to happen. We have the same thing going on within the body of Jesus Christ. We have women in positions of leadership, giving their knowledge and wisdom, and the men just stand by, letting it happen. Please understand that there is wisdom with all of this. She ate of the tree. There is a wisdom that might look spiritual, that might look holy and deep. It might look like it has an anointing. The guy that I was talking to on the phone had his one justification that was paramount over everything else; “How can you deny the anointing that this woman has?” I don’t deny the anointing, it just doesn’t come from God. It comes from the knowledge of the tree of good and evil. It comes from eating that kind of wisdom. She has wisdom, and she might even be able to get some wisdom faster than I can. Women are very fast, they are faster than men usually, and that’s what frustrates women. It is because Eve ate of the tree first. But, it is not wisdom that comes from God. It is not Holy Spirit inspired wisdom. It is a mocking wisdom that knows some things about God and his character, but it doesn’t come from the Holy Spirit. Look at Jeremiah 23:21. God says:
Jeremiah 23:21-22 – I did not send these prophets, yet they have run with their message; I did not speak to them, yet they have prophesied. But if they had stood in my council they would have proclaimed my words to my people and would have turned them from their evil ways and from their evil deeds.
That is why it is completely ludicrous to say that the church is worried about the family because the solution is so simple. It is so easy to take care of. All you have to do is have every woman in every position quit their job, go home, and raise the family. Even the groups that focus on the family don’t say, “We can’t hire anyone who is a mother—she needs to go home and take care of her kids.” They run with the message, but it doesn’t come from God and people aren’t turned from their sins. Look at James 3:13, because Titus is clear that a woman is to be busy at home. That is to be the paramount calling. But, that is a deed done in humility, meekness, and quietness, just as a woman is supposed to learn. James 3:13 speaks about true wisdom. Women preachers come with all kinds of loud noise, preaching, entertainment, and excitement. They have the tambourines, the dancing, and all sorts of things. But, what we don’t see is:
James 3:13 – Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom.
A woman busy at home has a quiet wisdom, but it is powerful and holy. The reason why you suppress people is that the women have abandoned their homes a long time ago and the church has encouraged and exalted it.
James 3:14 – But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth.
If you see the hearts of these women pastors and teachers, maybe even leading just a simple little class, you will see deep inside selfish ambition and pride.
James 3:15 – Such “wisdom”…
Oh, there is an element of wisdom about these people. Let me tell you, if you have selfish ambition in heart, you are going to want to look spiritual so you are going to do the study. You are going to do the examination. You are going to be able to espouse all kinds of spiritual sounding words because pride wants to be pointing back to itself, does it not?
James 3:15 – Such “wisdom” does not come down from heaven…
It comes from the tree in the garden. It comes from eating the forbidden fruit. There is wisdom about it. You can stand back and say, “Oh, that was rich and deep,” but it doesn’t come down from heaven.
James 3:15-16 – Such “wisdom” does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice.
It is now so far out of hand. Now the church is talking about gold dust falling inside churches and people’s teeth are filled with gold. Every evil practice you can think of is going on. Certainly the disorder is going on. You don’t find the church orderly anymore.
They ate of the tree in the open and they see wisdom they never had before. There are men and women sitting in these churches saying, “Man, I never saw that before! That was rich! That was anointed and spiritual.” But, it comes from the earth. It comes from the devil.
Genesis 3:7 – Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
So much of this women preaching is to cover their actions and their disobedience in not wearing a sign of authority.
Genesis 3:8 – Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden.
Verse 8 again says “Then the man and his wife…” But who does God come and talk to first? Does he go to Eve? No. Does he call Eve out into the open and say, “We’ve got something to talk about here”? Look at what he says in verse 9.
Genesis 3:9 – But the Lord God called to the man, “Where are you?”
He called the man! In verse 8, the man and his wife were hiding from God, but when God comes to talk about the sin that took place, he went directly to the man and asked, “Where are you?” God is coming to men in the church and asking them, “Where are you?” Where are you in relationship to this sin? Why did you permit it and allow it go to on? Why did you give away the position for which you were created and what I made you to be?” This is the question that God is asking men everywhere. God is still calling to man saying, “Where are you? Why did you let the woman be deceived and sin? You had the truth. You knew what was going on.” Men to this day, still allow women to sin, knowing that they are sinning. The woman may not always know.
Let’s turn to 1 Corinthians 11:7-10 because this will bring some things together.
1 Corinthians 11:7-10 – A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head.
This sums up everything that we have been looking at today. A woman should learn in quietness and full submission with a sign of authority that says, “I realize the home for which I was created to serve in and men are the ones responsible for what is going on.”
Isaiah 3:16 describes the women of today in our own land and culture.
Isaiah 3:16 – The Lord says, “The women of Zion are haughty…”
That’s the only word you could use to describe these women pastors; women who teach even little Bible studies and groups. They are just haughty. They are above the rules. They are above the law. They are above what God had to say. They might have a little group of maybe five or ten people, but they don’t feel any shame or inclination when they sit down and men are sitting in their presence. They have no clue. All they are worried about is puffing themselves up and looking spiritual. There is an arrogance and a haughtiness there.
Isaiah 3:16 – The Lord says, “The women of Zion are haughty, walking along with outstretched necks…”
They are pushing themselves forward and doing what they want to do, and saying what they want to say. They speak of wisdom. They are doing all the things that they do with outstretched necks.
Isaiah 3:16 – The Lord says, “The women of Zion are haughty, walking along with outstretched necks, flirting with their eyes, tripping along with mincing steps, with ornaments jingling on their ankles.”
They are a noisy, loud, and active crowd. They are boisterous. They talk. They jingle. They do their work. They slither their way in. They deceive other people. Look at what verse 17 says will be their judgment;
Isaiah 3:17 – Therefore the Lord will bring sores on the heads of the women of Zion; the Lord will make their scalps bald.
If a woman doesn’t wear a sign of authority in the church it is just as though her head were shaved, and if she refuses to wear a sign of authority, then let her hair be shaved and if she refuses to let her hair be shaved, God is going to make her head bald. If God can’t find enough men to stand up to be men, then he’ll deal with the women himself.
Isaiah 3:17-23 – “Therefore the Lord will bring sores on the heads of the women of Zion; the Lord will make their scalps bald.” In that day the Lord will snatch away their finery; the bangles and headbands and crescent necklaces, the earrings and bracelets and veils, the headdresses and ankle chains and sashes, the perfume bottles and charms, the signet rings and nose rings, the fine robes and the capes and cloaks, the purses and mirrors, and the linen garments and tiaras and shawls.
He will strip away all the beauty and all the outward things. All the things they do to make themselves look attractive, he will rob from them.
Isaiah 3:24 – Instead of fragrance there will be a stench…
Do you see a little bit more of the emotion with which Paul is saying, “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, she must be silent?”
Isaiah 3:24 – Instead of fragrance there will be a stench; instead of a sash, a rope; instead of well-dressed hair, baldness…
Women will either wear a sign of authority and be in submission, or they will become bald. One way or another, because it is equal to the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah. Women abandoned that which they were created to be. They give up their glory just as the angels who were with God gave up their positions. The angels abandoned God, so he put them in gloomy dungeons.
Isaiah 3:24 – Instead of fine clothing, sackcloth; instead of beauty, branding.
Look where the judgment continues to head. Look at where God is moving and who he is going to deal with;
Isaiah 3:25 – Your men will fall by the sword, your warriors in battle.
The men will not be able to be men to stand up and be strong. They have allowed the women to be leaders. The men gave up their position and had no desire for leadership. It is just too much hard work. It is much easier just to sit back and let the woman eat of the tree, listen to some fine sermons, be entertained, and go home.
Isaiah 3:25-26 – Your men will fall by the sword, your warriors in battle. The gates of Zion will lament and mourn; destitute, she will sit on the ground.
Make no mistake about it; the church that has a woman pastor will be left destitute. There will be nothing left standing and God will take away all of the beauty, the blessings, and the grace. Everything they think they have will be taken from them, and then the men will be dealt with. Woman preachers are a forbidden fruit. Maybe the Lord can find enough men to put it to an end, I don’t know.
Isaiah 3:13 – Youths oppress my people, women rule over them. O my people, your guides lead you astray; they turn you from the path.
May God deliver us. Let’s pray:
Father, we ask you to move your spirit within all of us that we might know, Father, the glory for which we were created, that our actions no longer defy your glorious presence. Raise up men, Father, who will be men for which you created them to be and women will be, Father, for the glory for which you created them to be. Exalt your word, O Lord. Make your word known among all men. We pray this in Jesus’ name. Amen.
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|1.||Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God. (Titus 2:3-5)|
|2.||If I had not done among them what no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. But now they have seen these miracles, and yet they have hated both me and my Father. (John 15:24)|
|3.||to the pure you show yourself pure, but to the crooked you show yourself shrewd. (Psalm 18:26)|